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Saturday, 11 January 2014

Gregori (Birth of Demons 2)

Gregori
A topic that in literature has become swoon worthy.
Fallen Angels.

Because of the literary work of some talented and not so talented writers; when taking about the fallen sons of the God or more often, as this reference has come to referrer, to their half- human, half- angel descendants, we picture a divinely handsome male or female (mostly male), darkly brooding, hiding their wings somehow looking to find the perfect love and redemption for the sin of their ancestors. Right? wrong!

Firstly angels have never been indicated to being any thing other than male. And no they naturally do not have a human form but are able to assume any form they desire. Usually, for some reason, the only preferred form of choice mentioned was human, male.

Now what sin are we refereeing to?

Well a fallen angel is (mythologically) defined as being a wicked or rebellious angel that has been cast out of Heaven.

This term, “fallen angel” is found neither in the Hebrew Bible nor the Deuterocanonical Books nor the New Testament. Nonetheless, Biblical commentators often use fallen angel to describe angels who sinned and have thus been exiled or banished from Heaven “fallen” being a metaphor for "cast out" or ostracized.

(as explained earlier when we discussed the fall of Satan)

In truth there have been many names for these angels; Watchers, Grigori and Nephilim. Essentially what these angels did was far worse than Satan’s rebellion.

How is that possible you ask?

There has been mention made of angels who descended to Mount Hermon, (not "fell") to Earth,which is found in the Book of Enoch, which the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church accept as canonical, as well as in various pseudepigrapha.

So they descended to earth, big whoop right?

But it is interesting to note that in the period immediately preceding the composition of the New Testament, that some sects of Judaism identified the "sons of God" (בני האלהים) of Genesis 6:1-4 with fallen angels. Some scholars consider it most likely that this Jewish tradition of fallen angels predates, even in written form, the composition of Gen 6:1-4.

So what was the great sin of these angels? How did they fall precisely? Well it ties in with the fact that they, well, lets say came to earth and their fall from grace. As their coming down and their fall are not exactly the same thing.

It’s therefore simple really (and complicated at the same time); they lusted and acted on that lust.

Lester L. Grabbe calls the story of the sexual intercourse of angels with women "an old myth in Judaism".

Until the mid-2nd century AD, Jewish writing (such as midrashim) can be taken to identify the "sons of God" of Gen 6:1 and 4 as angels. By the 3rd century, there is evidence that some early Christians accepted this Jewish Enochic pseudepigraphy and the application of the angelic descent myth to the "sons of God" passage in Genesis 6:1-4










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Its presence not only in the East but also in the Latin-speaking West is attested by the polemic of Augustine of Hippo (354–430) against the motif of giants born of the union between fallen angels and human women. Rabbinic Judaism and Christian authorities of course rejected the tradition. Those who adopted the tradition viewed the "sons of God" as fallen angels who married human women and by unnatural union begot the Nephilim.

As usual I am getting a head of myself. So let me adopt a more reasonable pace. I trust everyone remembers Enoch?

Hopefully you do from our previous little discourse; I did mention some names would be important.

Well this particular story, if everyone will gather closer and dim the lights, if you will, centers on the event leading up to the great flood. Why you ask would this be important, well most people talk about the sin of man as the result for the flood. Yet, are we referring to sin in a general sense or one particular type of sin?

Most who read the bible from cover to cover will note that there are a number of mentions of sin taking place. And there where very few if any righteous people left so God decided that he would simply wash the earth clean. Only choosing those who he deemed worthy of saving. Yet after the floor all the reasons religious teaches might give for God’s just cleansing we find happening all over again as it still is today.

Take the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for example, which according to some biblical scholars occurred between 1000 to 4000 years after the great flood. The greatest crimes taking place in these two cities where Idolatry, fornication outside of marriage etc, basically you average plethora of seven deadly sins plus an extra bonus of everything else.

by Joachim Patinir
Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed in a rain of fire

There had to more reason than that for the necessary extinction of human kind.

The most basic view is that what it came down to was that God saw all that man did, and thought it was evil; He decided that enough was enough. It would be easier to get rid of his naughty creations by, simply washing them way; a form of mass baptism of the earth if you will. Saving only the righteous.

The most righteous of those he chose to save where Noah and his wife and their sons and wives.

So why this particular family, there must have been others that had adhered to the laws of God?

Well this is where it gets interesting, co-incidentally, Noah was a direct descendant of Adam and Eve via Seth, the third son born after the death of Abel.

So might this not be more of a reason behind their being saved than any other reason?

Are we on track so far? Everyone keeping up?

So now we need to go back to before the flood occurred, quite a few years before this in fact, as the clues to why it occurred can only be found there. According to biblical scholars the great flood or deluge occurred 2344BC . Of all the patriarchs in pre-Hebrew time (before the time of Abraham), one of these descendants of Seth, therefore Adam, received very special attention, though very little is written in both Genesis from the Old Testament and the Torah; four short verses to be precise.

His name is Enoch, and he lived before the great biblical Flood. There are actually two individuals in Genesis, who bear the name of Enoch. One was the son of Cain and also a grandson of Adam. But we are more interested in the other Enoch - son of Jared and descendant of Seth, Cain's other brother. Enoch was the seventh antediluvian patriarch in line of Adam.

In truth if we look at the chart below all Enoch’s forbears were still alive when he was born.

Chart of Length and Overlapping of the Lives of the Patriarchs

      100       200       300       400       500       600       700       800       900       1000
 

1. Adam----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+(930) Adam
 
2. Seth (130)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+(1042) Seth
 
3. Enos (235)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------B
 
4. Cainan (325)----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
5. Mahalaleel (395)---------------------------------------------------------
 
6. Jared (460)------------------------------------------------------
 
7. Enoch (622)---------------------------------+(987) Was Translated
 
8. +Methuselah (687)----------------------------------
 
9. +Lamech (874)------------------
 
10. +Noah (1056)

Yet the time span between Enoch and his great-grandson Noah is about 1000 years more or less.

Most of what we know about Enoch comes from the Enoch 1 and Enoch 2.

The contents of Enoch 1 reads as follows:

     (1) The Book of the Watchers (chaps. 1-36);
    (2) The Book of the Similitudes (chaps. 37-7l)-,
    (3) The Book of Astronomical Writings (chaps. 72-82);
    (4) The Book of Dream Visions (chaps. 83-90); and
    (5) The Book of the Epistle of Enoch (chaps. 91-107)."


First, Genesis speaks of Enoch's father, Jared:
When Jared had lived 162 years, he begot Enoch. After the birth of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and begot sons and daughters. All the days of Jared came to 962 years; then he died.
      – Genesis 5:18-20
From these verses, you can see that Enoch had siblings, but it doesn't say how many brothers and sisters he has.

(large sections of the biblical texts omit these)

And then in the next paragraph:
When Enoch had lived 65 years, he begot Methuselah. After the birth of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years; and he begot sons and daughters. All the days of Enoch came to 365 years. Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, for God took him.
             – Genesis 5.21-24

(Interesting side note Adam would have been approximately 622 when Enoch was born and would have died when Enoch was around 300 years old.)

Enoch is very important to this little story of ours, as he lived in a time when the world began to go “rotten” so to speak.

What do we know about Enoch?

1.      We know that he is the son of Jared,
2.      and he had a son named, Methuselah.
3.      And that he’s days were 365 and then he, what died?
4.      One other thing we know is that of all the pre-Flood patriarchs, his life on Earth was the shortest - 365 years. While his son, Methuselah, was oldest of all the patriarchs.

According to calculations, Enoch vanished 669 years before Noah boarded the Ark(as I said -+1000years) (see List of Pre-Hebrew Patriarchs for the calculation).
Also, Methuselah was not the only child he had. Enoch had other children, both sons and daughters, but the Bible doesn't tell us how many or who they were, except those of Methuselah.

It is not his relationship to his father and to his children that interest us. It is his relationship with God and the role he played concerning the flood that totally intrigues me, and his mysterious disappearance.
It is stated quite clearly that Enoch walked with God, for the last 300 years of his life, possibly after the birth of his son Methuselah. In the Good News Bible, it is referred to as "fellowship with God".

Did God actually walk with Enoch in literal sense? Or is it something different altogether?

It really depends on the interpretation. It could mean that God had endowed him with prophecy through revelation, and from scripture we know that this is the case but this answer is not satisfactory.

Enoch’s name means “to wet the palate”. The Hebrew pronunciation of his name would be
Chă-o-ch, the ch is pronounced as you’d pronounce the ch in Bach (the classical composer).

In times before baby food mothers would chew their infant’s food and rub it on their palate to encourage them to eat. One could say I suppose that given his name and Enoch’s duty assigned to him by God, as well as his prophetic ability, he given talent was to encourage people to step away from their evil deeds, he "wet the palate" for God.

So… did Enoch die?

The reference to him being taken by God can mean any number of things. It doesn't say explicitly that he died but after this the Hebrew Scriptures don't say anything else about Enoch.

It is not until we come to the New Testament that we learn a few more things about Enoch in the Bible. Both of these come from two different letters.

From the letter by Jude:
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
– Jude 14-15
Though, the letter from Jude was directed at the false teachers, the prophecies itself probably referred to the children and descendants of the Watchers. As Enoch lived in the time, when these giants ruled the Earth. The Watchers (Greek Grigori) were fallen angels, who had taken mortal women as wives, and they fathered giants. These wicked giants were one of the greatest causes of God in bringing the Flood in the Genesis (from Gen. 6, 7 and 8).

As we continue you’ll understand the reasoning most scholars, and myself, have for this view.

From the Letter to the Hebrews, Paul writes:
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
– Hebrews 11:5-6
The common theme in Paul's letter in chapter 11 is faith in God. The apostle Paul was talking about that only through faith can people receive any reward from God. And God was obviously pleased with Enoch, whom he rewarded. 

But how exactly was Enoch rewarded? 

As I said there is no indication in any of the written works that Enoch died. All it says is that he was translated.

What does it mean by translate?

Ponder on that for a bit, I’m sure as we continue you’ll figure it out.

Now the role of Enoch as stated is very important to our story so before we continue with the part he and his descendants where to play it is now time to discuss why their role became vital to the survival of the world, also what was the full story behind the necessity of the building of the ark and the events that lead up to this.

Notes from the Books of Ysrael. From Hebrew Myths: The Book of Genesis By Robert Graves and Raphael Patai

Chapter 18 p. 100-107
(a) By the tenth generation, Adam's race had hugely increased. Lacking female company, the angels known as "Sons of God" found wives among the lovely Daughters of Men. The children of their unions would have inherited eternal life from their father, but that God had decreed: "Let not My spirit abide in flesh for ever! Henceforth the years of man are limited to one hundred and twenty."
(b) These new creatures were giants, known as "the Fallen Ones," whose evil ways decided God to wipe from the face of the earth all men and women, with their gigantic corruptors.
Genesis 6:1-7
(c) The Sons of God were sent down to teach mankind truth and justice; and for three hundred years did indeed teach Cain's son Enoch all the secrets of Heaven and Earth.

In those three lines we are told in full why this new batch of angels signaled the second wave of “FALLEN” and why god deemed the happening evil.


They were eternal being, pure in every way, the creator wanted humanity to survive but not be giving more knowledge or time that was not what they should have. The angels introduced immortality and dangerous knowledge.

Genesis 24
(d) Some say that Shemhazai and Azael, two angels in God's confidence, asked: "Lord of the Universe, did we not warn You on the Day of Creation that man would prove unworthy of Your world?" God replied: "But if I destroy man, what will become of My world?" They answered: "We shall inhabit it." God answered:
"Yet upon descending to earth, will you not sin even worse than man?"
They pleaded: "Let us dwell there awhile, and we will sanctify Your name!" God allowed them to descend, but they were at once overcome by lust for Eve's daughters,
Shemhazai begeting on them two monstrous sons named Hiwa and Hiya, each of whom daily ate a thousand camels, a thousand horses and a thousand oxen.
Azael also invented the ornaments and cosmetics employed by women to lead men astray.

So basically the following happened:

1.      God had created these amazing creations whom he literally thought the world of.
2.      His angels rebelled against him for choosing humanity over them.
3.      In returned humanity was quite disobedient in their youth but still, let’s say He was lenient.
4.      Then the human race, with Adam still alive, began to let’s say forget to worship their creator.
5.      They indulged in, what I would assume, was every bad act that they possibly could have.
6.      So God’s angels basically said “we told you so”.
7.      The angels said but if we lived on earth we would do better.
8.      And God says, you’d probably also indulged in these acts
9.      The angels as stubborn teenagers would say “we’ll show you we can”.
10.  What happened…well they did prove they could not resist.

There is of course another version, as there always is, but we’ll get there.

Harut and Marut: in Islamic mythology, it is these two angels who unwittingly became masters of evil. A group of angels, after observing the sins being committed on earth, began to ridicule man's weakness. 
God declared that they would act no better under the same circumstances and proposed that some angels be sent to earth to see how well they could resist idolatry, murder, fornication, and wine. No sooner did Harut and Marut, the angels chosen, alight on earth than they were seduced by a beautiful woman.
Then, discovering that there was a witness to their sin, they killed him. The angels in heaven were then forced to admit that God was indeed right, whereas the fallen angels faced atonement for their sins either on earth or in hell.
Harut and Marut chose to be punished on earth and were condemned to hang by their feet in a well in Babylonia until the Day of Judgment.



Harut and Marut are first mentioned in the Qur'an (2:102) as two angels purveying evil in Babylon, and the legend probably appeared to explain how they happened to be in that position. The story itself parallels a Jewish legend about the fallen angels Shemhazai, 'Uzza, and 'Aza'el. The names Harut and Marut appear to be etymologically related to those of Haruvatat and Ameretat, Zoroastrian archangels.

So this far we have 3 texts confirming one version of how the angles fell, with a very slight difference.


So! This of course poses the question. 

Do angels have free will?

We have to answer this before moving on.
Well I am sure most of us have been taught that angels have to obey the word of God. But there is nowhere in the bible that it states that they have no free will.

Alaaddin Başar (Prof.Dr.)

Angels have free will too but it is different from humans’ free will. The archangel Gabriel (peace be upon him) carries out the Divine order given to him with the free will. He also notifies the angels of a Divine order with that free will he has. He does not have the free will to act against the order he gets and that is what makes him different from humans.
In addition, varying in accordance with their levels, angels can be at different places at the same time and carry out tasks simultaneously. Their will is not absolute but limited. They can act within certain limits.
By doing those, they exhibit a manifestation of the Divine will of God.

Conscious beings like angels can do nothing other than a sort of voluntary duty in accordance with their natures and active worship which is called ‘acquisition,’ and is insignificant and not creative. (The Rays)


If I understand that correctly, angels cannot go against their set duties (the reason why they were created), so in a sense the free will they possess is limited. I would thus assume that if given a direct order concerning their duties they cannot, not do as they are told. Yet from what we have learned from the above extracts they are not exempt from temptation themselves or acting upon it.

So the fall of the angelic host once again was because of mankind, well in this case womankind. We have already stated one version of how they fell, which basically came down to, we your older children (creations) are better than your younger children (newest creations) and we can prove it.

Now for the second version, which is even less endearing of the human race.

The second version involves a specific descendant or line of descendants should I say.

This other version of the Fallen Angels is as follows:

In Jewish oral, God had specific angels to instruct man on various talents but such as architecture, farming and music. And from the bible it is clear that somehow for whatever reason those that were instructed where the descendants of Cain. These are the angels who descended to earth via Mount Hermon.

Now to clarify, those angels that where instructed to teach man, according to Jubilees 4:22, were called Watchers or Grigori, from Greek egrgoroi, which means “The Watchers”. This is where the versions actually divide.

These Watchers were also comprised of Archangels, the leaders being, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel and Raphael; who were assigned, as far as I can determine to keep an eye on their brethren sent to impart knowledge.

It was during the time of Jared, father of Enoch, that the angels, known as the Watchers came down to earth to take mortal women as wives and mate with them, and they beget monstrous children. Some of details of this can be found in the Rabbinic legend, the Haggada. Some of it resembles the narrative found in the Book of Enoch. More detail about the Watchers and their children can be found in the book called the Book of Watchers, which formed the first part of the Pseudepigraphal Book of Enoch.
These accounts do not say how long these angels were actually on hearth before they actually, as well the religious texts say, lusted after women, I’d like to see it as a bit more than that.

The leader of the Watchers was Shemhazai. He agreed with others to take women as wives, only if they swore pacts to carry through this plan. Two hundred angels made the descent to Earth, at Mount Hermon. Two hundred angels were divided into groups of ten, each under the leadership of chieftain or captain. 

Some of these fallen angels' names are revealed as:
Azazel, Armaros, Barakel, Kawkabel, Ezekeel, Arakiel, Samsaweel and Seriel.

They defiled themselves on mortal women, producing monstrous children. Their children grew to be giants of three-thousand ells tall, which is approximately 3420 meters in height (11,250 feet tall). The wicked angels taught their children all sorts of sorcery and arcane knowledge according to legend.

Now comes another version as mentioned before, here’s the differing in who seduced who.

According to the Haggada (book 1, chapter 4 Punishment of the Fallen Angels), the angel Shemhazai lusted after a maiden named Istehar, however, she tricked him into revealing the Ineffable Name of God. Istehar used the Ineffable Name to ascend, thereby escaping violation by Shemhazai. God rewarded Istehar for her piousness and her chastity by commemorating her as the seven-star constellation Pleides.

In Genesis 4:22, Naamah was a daughter of Lamech and Zillah, and sister of Tubal-cain. She was a descendant of Cain, a great granddaughter of the 6th generation, hence a Cainite. In most sources concerning Naamah, she was known for her great beauty; and according to the Haggada, her name means "Lovely" (Zohar 32 says that her name means "Gentleness"), though the name was used for her skills in producing sweet sounds from the cymbals. And as I said she was a Canite therefore she was an idol-worshiper. According to the Haggada, Naamah was the opposite of Istehar, because the angel Shamdon had succeeded in a sexual union with Naamah. Naamah's offspring was Asmodeus, a demon, instead of a giant (a Nephilim). Asmodeus appeared in the apocrypha Tobit. Asmodeus was noted as the King of demons.

The catch is this, according to the introduction of the Zohar, it was Naamah who first deceived and seduced the angels, not the angels seducing Naamah. Zohar 3 mentioned the angels, Aza and Azael, instead of Shamdon, they were victims of her beauty. She became mother of unknown number of demons, but there was no mention of Asmodeus. From this same chapter and passage of the Zohar, she was more than just a mortal woman. She would wander through the night and sleep with any man sleeping alone in the house during the waning of the moon, taking away their strength, like a succubus. So Naamah, became a demoness. Some would say that through her copulation with angels she became more.

Either way this version of events says that the angels fell hopelessly in love or lust with the daughters of men. In truth it seems very apparent that the first chosen women were mostly if not all female descendants of Cain. 
Many biblical schools of thought therefore prefer not to accept this version because of the fact that many of the women chosen were Canite. The other more plausible version that some Jewish scholars and many Christian scholars have put forward as an argument for this for is that the “sons of God” referred to were the holy descendants of Seth, the third son of Adam, who were greatly favoured by God as opposed to the descendants of Cain, who as we have already stated, was a cursed lineage either because of the murder of his brother Able or because he was the offspring of something other than Adam. The “daughters of men” would thus refer to the female descendants of Cain. It is their argument that it was decreed by God that no offspring from Seth’s line would intermingle with those of Cain’s blood. Which they did, there by disobeying God, upsetting him greatly.

Augustine’s influence on later interpretations is the greatest. As he placed his interpretation within a broad theological context. Augustine's treatment occurs in The City of God, in which he is tries to trace the origin, nature and development of the two cities [the society of those who love God (Seth’s offspring) and the society of those who love self (Cain’s offspring)]. This is significant, because it fits his objective to view Genesis 6 as continuing the story of the two cities which, according to Augustine, emerges in Genesis 4 and 5. He writes of the passage, "By these two names [sons of God and daughters of men] the two cities are sufficiently distinguished. For although the former were by nature children of men, they had come into possession of another name by grace.... When they [the godly race (Seth’s race)] were captivated by the daughters of men (Cain’s female descendants), they adopted the manners of the earthly to win them as their brides, and forsook the godly ways they had followed in their own holy society."
This View fits in well with Genesis 4 and 5 and if taken in the light that God discouraged those who worshiped him from intermarrying with those who did not as Francis Schaeffer pointed out.

But whereas this is a very plausible argument, and there is no real flaw in the logic, since the female descendants of Seth would not have been allowed to choose their own husbands, and even so, if Cain was more than human the reasoning for the angelic theory would still stand. so the dispute is this :

On linguistics alone one could argue that the phrase, used biblically, “the Son’s of God” (bene elohim)is used only three other times in the Testament, as indicated earlier-in Job 1:6; 2:1; and 38:7. In each case it clearly means spirit beings (used in cases referring to the angels), twice those fallen spirits who accompanied Satan in his periodic appearances before the Lord in heaven are referred to as such.

A similar form of this phrase bar elohim used in Daniel 3:25, of the fourth figure Nebuchadnezzar saw when he looked into the burning furnace into which Daniel's three friends had been thrown. In this case it probably refers to a fallen angel or even a theophany, but the actual identity of the being involved is not given. Nebuchadnezzar merely says, "The fourth looks like a son of the gods."

And of course the second point in favour of the angel argument would be Enoch 1, where it is written:
"And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'They were in all two hundred[They] took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments.... And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells.... And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways" (chs. 6-8).
The book continues by showing the judgment of God against the fallen angels, in which they are bound up in prison in "the uttermost depths" of the earth.

Why would the teaching of city building, music and agriculture and possibly herbal lore be considered enchantments. Enchantments were clearly given as a reason for the disgust God felt for this union. If it had been about murder tainting blood then this reason would surely have been given. 

I would never presume to say that the works of Enoch are infallible (it is not a biblical book please keep this in mind), it could be wrong in many places (indubitably it probably is) but it is note worthy that the works of Enoch were know to Jude and Peter who in their oblique references to the same subject, seem to put their stamp of approval on it, at least in this matter.

Throughout various sections in Jude and Peter both make numerous references to Enoch’s prophecies, in some cases directly quoting him (as show above), so why would we not assume that in other sections when the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are compared to the punishment of the angels we would not think of those who chose to take mortal women.

This is my third reason for the angelic theory.

So for the sake of this particular research point let’s stick to the Angelic theory.

As we continue, I must point out the little piece of information concerning two other prophecies said to be contained in the pages of Genesis that provides further clues for the cause of the flood.

The two apparent prophesies contained in Genesis:

Remember the idea has always rested with people that the serpent in the garden is Satan. Now with that in mind many have additionally determined that Genesis 3:15 is a prophesy referring to a very important person that the entire second half of the Bible is dedicated to, Jesus. The prophecy is that he would crush the head of Satan’s seed. Evil, sin and so forth with his ultimate death.

Jesus descended from a pure bloodline of kings. The bible tells us that he was a descendant of kings but what most people over look is that not only was he a descendant of kings but also a direct descendant of Adam.

Therefore he would have to be descended from either Cain or Seth, and since Cain had been cursed, and Able dead, and as a result his offspring and descendants as well (will discuss later) (possibility that Cain was not completely human discussed here) he could not be born from his descendants. So that left Seth only. Since, if we accept the angel’s fornicating with humanity myth this would have posed a greater risk to the birth of Jesus as he’s blood could not be tainted with the blood of the fallen angels or Cain, depending of the version of events you choose.

Reference:
Offspring of Seth: The Qumran (Dead Sea Scroll) fragment 4Q417 (4QInstruction) contains the earliest known reference to the phrase "children of Seth", stating that God has condemned them for their rebellion. Other early references to the offspring of Seth rebelling from God and mingling with the daughters of Cain, are found in rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, Augustine of Hippo, Julius Africanus, and the Letters attributed to St. Clement. It is also the view expressed in the modern canonical Amharic Ethiopian Orthodox Bible.
But this particular piece also as other implications which we will return to shortly.
Now there was a second decree or prophesy by God Genesis 4:13-17(Hebrew bible)

The particular verse that is of most significance to us is verse 15:

(Second prophesy)

13 and “Qayin [Acquired]” said to “YHWH [He exists]”, my iniquity is too magnificent to lift up, 14 though you cast me out today from upon the face of the ground and I will be hidden from your face and I will exist in the land, staggering and nodding and it will come to pass all of the ones finding me will kill me, 15 and “YHWH [He exists]” said to him, because of this, all of the ones killing “Qayin [Acquired]” will be made avenged sevenfold and “YHWH [He exists]” set in place to “Qayin [Acquired]” a sign for all of the ones finding him to not hit him, 16 and “Qayin [Acquired]” went out from before “YHWH [He exists]” and he settled in the land of “Nod [Wander]”, eastward of “Eden [Pleasure]”, 17 and “Qayin [Acquired]” knew his woman and she conceived and she brought forth “Hhanokh [Dedicated]” and he existed a builder of a city and called out the title of the city “Hhanokh [Dedicated]” like the title of his son,

This text is consistent throughout most religious texts concerning the period after Cain killed Abel were he is rebuked by God and banished. He, God, states that no one will harm Cain or else he will likewise be cursed tenfold. Cain’s curse was to last into the seventh generation and would then have ended after his natural death. This also meant that if some one killed the cursed Cain then he would take on his curse and thus be cursed into the seventieth generation.

So for this all to make sense we now need to return to Enoch.

So the list of, lets call then “Evil Watchers”, who were responsible for the education of man were as follows:

(The most common associations found in various texts on medieval magic regarding the Watchers are as follows)

1.      Araqiel: taught the signs of the earth.
2.      Armaros: taught the resolving of enchantments.
3.      Azazel: taught the making of weapons of war.
4.      Barqel: taught astrology.
5.      Ezequeel: taught the knowledge of the clouds.
6.      Gadreel: taught the art of cosmetics.
7.      Kokabeel: taught the mystery of the Stars.
8.      Penemue: taught writing.
9.      Sariel: taught the knowledge of the Moon.
10.  Semjaza: taught Herbal enchantments.
11.  Shamshiel: taught the signs of the Sun.

These “evil watchers” fell in love and had children with women, but for some reason it does not seem to have just been women but it extended to animals as well.

According to biblical texts about the Canite people, both men and women alike went around naked having sex with who ever and whatever they felt like. But Historically this cannot be proven, actually the exact opposite has been proven from the Ugaritic texts which were found and translated. It seemed that the Canaanites had very strict ideas on sex, fidelity and incest. Scholars have now postulated that the view taken by ancient peoples as well as those who translated biblical texts took the view that due to the Canaanites being “Idol Worshipers”,  and here Idol does not mean they worshiped statues, they believed in more than one god, they practiced Polyeism; they “prostituted” themselves so to speak. Therefore if they prostituted themselves spiritually it stood to reason that they prostituted themselves physically. And that sexual depredation took place. Even more so if they were in fact the “seed” of Cain, they had to be depraved. So saying that the angels were seduced by the naked bodies of the women as some biblical texts suggests would not be correct, neither would it be if they were descendants of Seth. Let us rather then assume that, angels as well as God have no sense of time; given the fact that the angels appeared to live among humanity for sometime that they simply developed emotional attachments to females. Also if we take the view that it was the children of Seth who began mingling with the Canaanites that it was to possibly extend their land and wealth as well as possibly falling in love.

Some of the texts also indicated that because the angels were able to take any form that they pleased their carnal indulgence were not confined to female humans but men as well as all manor of other creatures.

None-the-less during the time of Jared, Enoch’s father, the “evil watchers” were already on earth, and had been for some time, we are told via biblical texts that Jared was 162 when Enoch was born. It seems that Enoch fearing, possibly for his “purity” hid and lived in a cave once he had gained puberty.

So we need more back ground on Enoch, well according to the Book of Jubilees we find similar events as found in the rabbinical legends found in the Haggada. In the Book of Jubilees, Enoch was the son of Jared and Bâraka, daughter of Râsûujâl. His wife was Ednî, daughter of Danel, and Enoch became the father of Methuselah. Unlike the Genesis, the Book of Jubilees have given us names of mothers, wives and sometimes daughters of the patriarchs.

Enoch was inventor of writing and known for his wisdom. He also wrote the signs of heaven (astrology).
There are two works that are known as the Book of Enoch, which were believed to be ascribed to the patriarch himself. The Second Enoch contained mostly the narrative about Enoch, particularly his visit to heaven. The First Enoch contained various visions, astrology and wisdom. It is from the Enoch 1 which contains the section known as the Book of Watchers (chapters 1-36) in which information can be found regarding to fallen angels and the giants, which was one of causes of the great flood.

(Methuselah, Enoch's son, was married to Ednâ, daughter of Âzrîâl, basically he married his cousin. Just for interest sake)

Because Enoch became such a learned man, and it seems that he was able to interpret signs, he was gifted with the sight and dream interpretation, one of the earliest mentions of these gifts, he was given the role as God’s scribe according to numerous sacred texts.

So as events transpired:

Genesis 6:1-5
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Enoch 1

“And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants.
And the giants begot Nephilim, and to the Nephilim were
born †Elioud†. And they were growing in accordance with
their greatness.”

Once again we are referencing the "giants in the earth" and separately there are references to their deeds, "the same became mighty men which were of old, mean of renown". One cannot say that the word "giant" here is with reference to they types of people they were to become as that is clearly done later in the passage to sound reasoning would be their large stature.

The offspring of the angels with their human women where given many names according to tribes
Nephilim/ Rephaim/ Anakim/ Luzim/ Emim. They were also referred to as the men of old, men of great renown.

The NEPHILIM offspring, four different races:

THE ANNAKIM (they would weigh chains until earth’s core could not support them.)
THE REPHAIM (Your heart will melt in their presence)
THE ZAMZOUMIM (Achievers, Their necks would obscure the sun.)
THE EMMIM (Terrifying ones)
THE GIBBORIM (The strong ones, the giants, the ancient heroes) 
Zeus seducing Leda

If we look at mythology the world over there are stories in every civilisation and culture of super-humans, of giant nations that warred on nations. The feats they performed were spectacular, even taking into account Greek myths about Heracles alone. Also in these myths the gods, Zeus especially, often took the form of an animal and there by seduced the women of their choice.

It is said that the NEPHILIM introduced zoophilia on earth; and broke down the natural order of things."The viper would mingle with the lion, and the vulture with the dog, and man with nephilim, nephilim with animals etc.....

Enoch 1

They were devouring the labor of all the sons of men,
 and
men were not able to supply them. 4/ And the giants began
to kill men and to devour them. 5/ And they began to sin
against the birds and beasts and creeping things and the fish,
and to devour one another’s flesh. And they drank the blood.
6 Then the earth brought accusation against the lawless ones.”

What was happening on earth was that because of the offspring of the angels being born according to sacred texts was not a pretty sight. Their unions were creating some of the most fearsome creatures. This could be a possibility again if we look at myths concerning Pegasus, gryphons and various others (just thinking out loud here).

The Nephilim had an appetite to match their size, the consumed vast quantities of animals and crops and in some cases when that was not enough they turned on humanity themselves. There are even sections of sacred texts that referrers to fact that some people turned to cannibalism because there was nothing else to eat. The worship of idols had increased and basically they world was dying as strange animals roamed the earth.

God therefore warned them that He would set loose the Upper Waters, and thus destroy all men and beasts. Shemhaza wept bitterly, fearing for his sons who, though tall enough to escape drowning, would starve to death.


And as for the Nephilim, when there where not enough animals to consume they consumed human flesh and blood. I haven’t found enough evidence or notations confirming this particular event, only Enoch is our guide here, to be able to say that it was a high possibility. Yet I suppose that it would be possible as they were physically superior to the human race.

It is also clear from Enoch 1 that The Gregori took wives; it was not simply about fornication and lust, as they loved their wives and children enough to teach them the secrets of the universe.

Also it would appear that these women who had birthed these amazing creatures did survive the birth of these children. So my theory is that when these children where born they probably appeared, for the most part, as normal babies and then later developed in size and or ability.

Reasoning would be simple as we see today that genetic abnormality is usually only apparent after children are born, giantism, extra appendages including blood disorders.

It also appears that God made more than one effort to rid the world of the children of his angels seen here in the extract from 1 Enoch:

“To Raphael he said,
“Go, Raphael, and bind Asael hand and foot, and cast himinto the darkness;And make an opening in the wilderness that is inDoudael.b5 Throw him there, and lay beneath himsharp and jaggedstones.And cover him with darkness, and let him dwell there foran exceedingly long time.Cover up his face, and let him not see the light.6 And on the day of the great judgment, he will be led awayto the burning conflagration.7 And heal the earth, which the watchers have desolated;and announce the healing of the earth, that the plaguemay be healed,and all the sons of men may not perish because of themystery that the watchers told and taught their sons.8 And all the earth was made desolate by the deeds of theteaching of Asael,and over him write all the sins.And to Gabriel he said,“Go, Gabriel, to the bastards, to the half-breeds, to the sonsof miscegenation;and destroy the sons of the watchers from among the sonsof men;send them against one another in a war of destruction.Length of days they will not have;10 and no petition will be (granted) to their fathers in theirbehalf, that they should expect to live an everlasting life, nor eventhat each of them should live five hundred years.And to Michael he said,“Go, Michael, bind Shemihazah and the others with him, whohave mated with the daughters of men, so that they weredefiled by them in their uncleanness.12 And when their sons perish and they see the destruction oftheir beloved ones, bind them for seventy generations inthe valleys of the earth, until the day of their judgment…”
Good sends his most trusted  Archangels to deal with their wayward brothers, giving very specific instruction of how they should be dealt with.

The Book of Giants retells part of this story and elaborates on the exploits of the giants, especially the two children of Shemihaza, Ohya and Hahya. Since no complete manuscript exists of Giants, its exact contents and their order remain a matter of guesswork.

The giants begin to be troubled by a series of dreams and visions. Mahway, the titan son of the angel Barakel, reports the first of these dreams to his fellow giants. He sees a tablet being immersed in water. When it emerges, all but three names have been washed away. The dream evidently symbolizes the destruction of all but Noah and his sons by the Flood.
He goes to the other giants and explains to them about his troubling dream

Book of Giants Reconstruction

4Q530 Frag.7 [ . . . this vision] is for cursing and sorrow. I am the one who confessed 2[ . . . ] the whole group of the castaways that I shall go to [ . . . ] 3[ . . . the spirits of the sl]ain complaining about their killers and crying out 4[ . . . ] that we shall die together and be made an end of [ . . . ] much and I will be sleeping, and bread 6[ . . . ] for my dwelling; the vision and also [ . . . ] entered into the gathering of the giants 8[ . . . ]
6Q8 [ . . . ] Ohya and he said to Mahway [ . . . ] 2[ . . . ] without trembling. Who showed you all this vision, [my] brother? 3[ . . . ] Barakel, my father, was with me. 4[ . . . ] Before Mahway had finished telling what [he had seen . . . ] 5[ . . . said] to him, Now I have heard wonders! If a barren woman gives birth [ . . . ]
4Q530 Frag. 4 3[There]upon Ohya said to Ha[hya . . . ] 4[ . . . to be destroyed] from upon the earth and [ . . . ] 5[ . . . the ea]rth. When 6[ . . . ] they wept before [the giants . . . ]
4Q530 Frag. 7 3[ . . . ] your strength [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] 5Thereupon Ohya [said] to Hahya [ . . . ] Then he answered, It is not for 6us, but for Azaiel, for he did [ . . . the children of] angels 7are the giants, and they would not let all their poved ones] be neglected [. . . we have] not been cast down; you have strength [ . . . ]
The giants realize the futility of fighting against the forces of heaven. The first speaker may be Gilgamesh.
4Q531 Frag. 1 3[ . . . I am a] giant, and by the mighty strength of my arm and my own great strength 4[ . . . any]one mortal, and I have made war against them; but I am not [ . . . ] able to stand against them, for my opponents 6[ . . . ] reside in [Heav]en, and they dwell in the holy places. And not 7[ . . . they] are stronger than I. 8[ . . . ] of the wild beast has come, and the wild man they call [me].
9[ . . . ] Then Ohya said to him, I have been forced to have a dream [ . . . ] the sleep of my eyes [vanished], to let me see a vision. Now I know that on [ . . . ] 11-12[ . . . ] Gilgamesh [ . . . ]

Ohya's dream vision is of a tree that is uprooted except for three of its roots; the vision's import is the same as that of the first dream.

Ohya tries to avoid the implication for the dreams stating that it referred only to Azazel; he suggests that the destruction is only for the earthly rulers.

The Giants are afflicted by more dreams, the meaning of which are obscure.

Thereupon two of them had dreams 4 and the sleep of their eye, fled from them, and they arose and came to [ . . . and told] their dreams, and said in the assembly of [their comrades] the monsters 6[ . . . In] my dream I was watching this very night 7[and there was a garden . . . ] gardeners and they were watering 8[ . . . two hundred trees and] large shoots came out of their root 9[ . . . ] all the water, and the fire burned all 10[the garden . . . ] They found the giants to tell them 11[the dream . . . ]

Someone suggests that Enoch be found to interpret the vision.

[ . . . to Enoch] the noted scribe, and he will interpret for us 12the dream. Thereupon his fellow Ohya declared and said to the giants, 13I too had a dream this night, O giants, and, behold, the Ruler of Heaven came down to earth 14[ . . . ] and such is the end of the dream. [Thereupon] all th e giants [and monsters! grew afraid 15and called Mahway. He came to them and the giants pleaded with him and sent him to Enoch 16[the noted scribe]. They said to him, Go [ . . . ] to you that 17[ . . . ] you have heard his voice. And he said to him, He wil1 [ . . . and] interpret the dreams [ . . . ] Col. 3 3[ . . . ] how long the giants have to live. [ . . . ]
In the legible  parts of the Book of Watchers, Enoch is sought out in his cave, and taken to the others to interpret the dream. He informs them of the impending death of their children. And it would appear that he is entreated by them to plead on their behalf.

4Q530 Frag. 2 The scribe [Enoch . . . ] 2[ . . . ] 3a copy of the second tablet that [Epoch] se[nt . . . ] 4in the very handwriting of Enoch the noted scribe [ . . . In the name of God the great] 5and holy one, to Shemihaza and all [his companions . . . ] 61et it be known to you that not [ . . . ] 7and the things you have done, and that your wives [ . . . ] 8they and their sons and the wives of [their sons . . . ] 9by your licentiousness on the earth, and there has been upon you [ . . . and the land is crying out] 10and complaining about you and the deeds of your children [ . . . ] 11the harm that you have done to it. [ . . . ] 12until Raphael arrives, behold, destruction [is coming, a great flood, and it will destroy all living things] 13and whatever is in the deserts and the seas. And the meaning of the matter [ . . . ] 14upon you for evil. But now, loosen the bonds bi[nding you to evil . . . ] l5and pray.

A fragment apparently detailing a vision that Enoch saw.

4Q531 Frag. 7 3[ . . . great fear] seized me and I fell on my face; I heard his voice [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] he dwelt among human beings but he did not learn from them [ . . . ]

These are what would be assumed to be from the view point of the Gregori and their children.
It would also appear that God sent warning to the Gregori a number of times through Enoch. He first sends Enoch to tell the Gregori that because they took human women as wives and left their heavenly sanctuary they would have neither peace nor forgiveness and concerning the sons that they took such great pride they would watch them slaughtered and on their fate would they lament and petition but they would have no mercy or peace.

When the Gregori are told their fate and that of their offspring they ask that Enoch writes a petition on their behalf and recite it in God’s presence.

Enoch does this and recites until he falls asleep and in a dream is told to reprimand the Gregori. He goes to them and informs them that they will never be allowed to enter heaven again but will be bound in chains in the earth. He tells them about his dream in which he is shown a vision of heaven and that :

The Lord spoke: "Have no fear, Enoch, good man and scribe of goodness. Come hear my voice. Go speak to the Watchers of Heaven, who have sent you to intercede for them. Tell them, You should intercede for men, and not men for you. Why did you leave lofty, holy Heaven to sleep with women and, to defile yourselves with the daughters of men and take them as your wives, and like the children of the earth to beget sons, in your case giants? Though you were holy and spiritual, living the eternal life, you defile yourself with the blood of women, you begot children with the blood of flesh, and like the others you have lusted after flesh and blood as do those who perish. Because they perish I gave them wives so they might impregnate them, have children, and nothing be lacking on the earth. But you were spiritual and immortal for all generations of the world. So I gave you no wives, for Heaven is your proper dwelling place."

God explains through Enoch that because the angels are eternal he did not give them female partners because there was no need for them to have children as there was for human man as he was not eternal. God also passes judgment on the souls of the Gregori’s children saying that because they are born from humans they spirits will be bound to the earth and called evil and because their origin is of holy watcher.

The fate of the women chosen as wives by the Gregori is also stated by Uriel, that they would become sirens…

This is very important to keep in mind. As we have already stated that Naamah great granddaughter to Cain seduced two of the angels, thus became more than human, turning into an incubus which is another word for siren; a lure of men or seducer. Also I feel compelled to note here that Noah had two wives, one of whom also bore the name Naamah…

So now we come the finale to Enoch’s role in our tale of the watchers.

The Book of Secrets of Enoch

(extract)
Two angels, Samuil and Raguil, woke him, and escorted him to heaven. He was able to see each of the seven heavens and the angels who dwelled there, all the way up the throne of God in the 10th heaven. He also met the archangel, Gabriel and Michael.
Enoch was to be the scribe of God. From the book of heaven, Enoch copied down everything, filling 366 books about everything that happened in heaven and on earth. Enoch was said to have given these books to his sons.
5 And when I was asleep, great distress came up into my heart, and I was weeping with my eyes in sleep, and I could not understand what this distress was, or what would happen to me.
6 And there appeared to me two men, exceeding big, so that I never saw such on earth; their faces were shining like the sun, their eyes too (were) like a burning light, and from their lips was fire coming forth with clothing and singing of various kinds in appearance purple, their wings (were )brighter than gold, their hands whiter than snow.
7 They were standing at the head of my bed and began to call me by my name.
8 And I arose from my sleep and saw clearly those two men standing in front of me.
9 And I saluted them and was seized with fear and the appearance of my face was changed from terror, and those men said to me:
10 Have courage, Enoch, do not fear; the eternal God sent us to you, and lo! You shalt to-day ascend with us into heaven, and you shall tell your sons and all your household all that they shall do without you on earth in your house, and let no one seek you till the Lord return you to them.
Enoch was shown the seven levels of heaven by these angels
1 They brought before my face the elders and rulers of the stellar orders, and showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and (their) services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.


The angels at God’s command showed Enoch, still fully human and alive, every corner of the heavens that god had created and took him into the seventh heaven where he was left with Gabriel. And God has Michael take Enoch out of his “earthly garments” and anointed. God then proceeds to explain to Enoch about how he created everything including the angels and it would appear that there was nothing not at all until God decided to start making things, so to speak. As He explains to Enoch that he created the angels and put them in rank then he proceeded to create the earth.

There is a very interesting extract where a disobedient angel is refereed to:

1 And for all the heavenly troops I imaged the image and essence of fire, and my eye looked at the very hard, firm rock, and from the gleam of my eye the lightning received its wonderful nature, (which) is both fire in water and water in fire, and one does not put out the other, nor does the one dry up the other, therefore the lightning is brighter than the sun, softer than water and firmer than hard rock.
2 And from the rock I cut off a great fire, and from the fire I created the orders of the incorporeal ten troops of angels, and their weapons are fiery and their raiment a burning flame, and I commanded that each one should stand in his order.
3 And one from out the order of angels, having turned away with the order that was under him, conceived an impossible thought, to place his throne higher than the clouds above the earth, that he might become equal in rank to my power.
4 And I threw him out from the height with his angels, and he was flying in the air continuously above the bottomless.

This if I am not mistake seems to referrer to the uprising of Satan.

Now while God spoke Enoch wrote, he wrote down all that God had told him, then God sent Enoch home and told him that in 30 days the angels would return to fetch him. He names Enoch his intercessor, this would mean that God had asked Enoch to make one last effort by using the books he had written to get people to change their ways. As he would be destroying the world by flood. He does provide Enoch with a reason, stating that all the humans he created from Adam right down the line had betrayed him and no longer worshiped him as they once did.

Enoch had 30 days to explain and teach his children and those who were willing to listen about everything he had written down. And then the Angels came for him. He was over 300 years old.
Metatron (meaning: One who
occupies the Throne next to the
Throne of the Most High)

So now it is clear that Enoch did not die. The word Translated meant Enoch became an ascended being; an angel. The Genesis' passage only referred to Enoch being taken.

In other religious scripts Enoch is given the privilege of being the only human being to be transformed into the angle Metatron.

It is interesting to note that in the early stellar cults of Mesopotamia there were four "royal" Stars (known as Lords) which were called the Watchers. Each one of these stars "ruled" over one of the four cardinal points common to Astrology. This particular system would date from approximately 3000 BC. The star Aldebaran, when it marked the Vernal Equinox, held the position of Watcher of the East. Regulus, marking the Summer Solstice, was Watcher of the South. Antares, marking the Autumn Equinox, was Watcher of the West. Fomalhaut, marking the Winter Solstice, was Watcher of the North. In the star myths the Watchers themselves were depicted as gods who guarded the Heavens and the Earth. Their nature, as well as their "rank", was altered by the successive lunar and solar cults that replaced the older stellar cults.
Eventually the Greeks reduced the Watchers to the gods of the four winds.

Earlier mystical Hebrew sects organized the Watchers into an Archangel hierarchy. According to this system the Watchers were ruled over by four great Watchers known as Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Auriel. In the Old Testament (Daniel 4: 13 17) there is reference made to the Irin, or Watchers, which appear to be an order of angels. In early Hebrew lore the Irin were a high order of angels that sat on the supreme Judgment Council of the Heavenly Court.


  • Micheal is to the South - Fire
  • Gabriel is to the West - Water
  • Auriel/Uriel is to the North - Earth
  • Raphael is to the East - Air


So there have always been Watchers, guardians.


Just for interest sake, when one researches the meaning of the word Nephilim the result that one finds is that it means Giant, I found an interesting article by Michael S. Heiser on the various ways the word is written in Hebrew. He states that there is some debate that the meaning of Nephilim is “the fallen”, “those who fall” or “those who fall upon”. In this article he provides a full linguistic argument for why it is not possible as well as it meaning Giant here is the link and is quite an interesting read. He also states the correct pronunciation for the various means of spellings from Hebrew to English.

Now for the part I have been itching to get to, I love a controversy.

The flood story itself presents many problems to some people especially when it comes to the number of animals, their size, the amount of people aboard as well as what they lived off of if they were on board for a period of time.

It was supposed to have been made from Gopher wood, had three stories and compartments, the dimension where 450 (137m) x 75 x 45 feet.





Acclaimed underwater archaeologist Robert Ballard claimed his team of researchers have uncovered evidence that suggests The Great Flood described in the Bible was actually based on real events, meaning there is proof that it did occur. Mr Ballard told how he investigated a controversial theory proposed by two scientists from Columbia University that there was a massive flood in the Black Sea region. The flood waters rained down from above and came up through underground springs. That would for account for the quick rise of the waters.

In an interview with ABC News, he said around 12,000 years ago much of the world was covered in ice and the Black Sea had been a freshwater lake surrounded by farmland. But when the glaciers began to melt during a warming period in the cycle of the Earth's temperature around 5600BC water rushed toward the world's oceans, Mr Ballard said. This, he claimed, caused floods all around the world and water cascaded through Turkey’s Straits of Bosporus towards the Black Sea.

His research follows a 1997 study by William Ryan and Walter Pitman who, drawing on archaeological and anthropological evidence, claimed that 'ten cubic miles of water poured through each day', and that the deluge continued for at least 300 days.
More than 60,000 square miles of land were flooded, they said, and the lake's level rose by hundreds of feet after merging with the Mediterranean, triggering mass animal migrations across Europe. According to their study, the force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path. It also transformed the Black Sea from an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland into a saltwater inlet. The researchers, whose findings have been backed up by carbon dating and sonar imaging, claimed that the story of Noah's flood had its origin in this cataclysmic event.

The team found an ancient shoreline which Mr Ballard believes is proof such an event did take place. He believes that, by using carbon dating shells found along the shoreline four hundred feet below the surface, it took place around 5,000 BC. 'It probably was a bad day,' he said. 'At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under.'

The proof of a single all in one world wide flood as many of us believe is not there. The possibility  is higher that it was confined to too a specific area, but as we have seen from modern day natural disasters such as a tsunami, the world wide effect would have been there, so just about everything living could have been affect, some places there would have been massive waves and as well as floods some not as devastating but still badly enough that people and animals would have died. There are also flood myths from all around the world so this would tie in to this idea. That there where more people that were either given instructions on how to survive like Noah, somehow managed to or that it was Noah's son's descendants that passed the story down through the generations as they repopulated the world. Also no one said that the animals that Noah took onto the ark had to be fully grown. We simply assume that they were.

Possible height of flood waters

Although the team found an ancient shipwreck and pottery it was not the Ark, they not believe that they will ever find it.

(There is a working replica of the Ark built by Johan Huibers in Schagen, the Netherlands,just in case anyone any one wonders if the ark would float, not built from gopher wood.)

The dating provided would more or less fall in line with biblical time period the flood lasted; plus-minus 1 year 10 days. As the flood started when Noah was 600 years old and he lived for another 350 years after the flood. So if we calculate further, if Noah was 480 years old when given the order to begin building it would have taken him about 120 years to finish. There also does not seem to be any proof of a Gopher Tree, some have pointed out it is possibly a mistranslation  of Kopher (covering or pitch) by a careless scribe. No Hebrew expert knows for sure what gopher wood is in modern terminology. In fact, gopher is barely a Hebrew word at all, looking very much like a foreign word included in the text. The gopher tree interpretation could be explained by flora re-distribution (or ark transport) due to the flood. Since the word is obscure, perhaps the tree was no longer identified after the flood, causing it to disappear from normal use.

Somehow everyone assumes that Noah’s sons helped him build the ark, or that he had help straight from the get go. Here’s some news for you, Noah’s first son was born when he between age +- 450 and 500 years old. There are discrepancies in time period in the bible yes, but we must also keep in mind that it could be that two different types of calendars where used. Remember that God shortened the life span of man to 120 years so it is possible that the form of the calendar changed. But the fact remains that his first son appears to have been born as Noah began building. So it stand to reason that they would only have begun to help him much later possibly at the age of may 5 or 6 in small ways, the type of work would have increased as they grew older. (See link here for possible explanation).

There is also the possibility that Noah had more than just 3 sons. Verses from Moses posses this possibility as they state that before the flood Noah’s granddaughters married evil men. So it is possible that he had more children that did not survive to the start of the flood. Although it says that “all” of Noah’s descendants where saved I have some theories why it is not possible, if there had been other sons or daughters and grandchildren other than the 3 sons named, if these children did not survive they might not have been recorded as they would not have entered the ark, and even if they had children or grandchild who were alive but had married those who God had deemed as sinners; who had not adhered to the laws he set forth, as scripture stated that only the righteous would be saved, would they have been allowed on the ark? Also they might not have believed their grandfather either. But it is a high possibility that these descendants might not have survived until the time of the flood itself.

It is apparent that record keepers tried to keep things as short and in order as possible, naming only those males well known. Either way it is these three sons that are mentioned. So the first prophesy for the possibility of Jesus’ birth had come to pass. The line of Noah was pure so that the birth of a king could take place untainted. As from the biblical record we do have Noah had no daughters that entered the ark, and it is unusual in it self as it would have made it easier to be sure the line was free from any taint if they had sisters that they could marry. But, the possibility is that if there was a daughter, she could have been tainted before she entered the ark. 

To date the oldest historical record of a deluge that caused the destruction of man comes from the Babylonian culture. It was included in the Gilgamesh story and the seven tablets, and written some time around 2800 BCE. According to the tablets found there are two differing tales that describe two similar deluges.One legend carved into a clay tablet found in the Library at Nebo in Nineveh and was inscribed around about 2800-2700 BCE. Uta-Napishtim tells Gilgamesh the tale about a city on the river bank of the river we now know as the Euphrates where the gods lived. The gods wanted to create a storm but Ea wanted to save the life of Uta-Napishtim and told him to break down his house and build a boat so that he would survive. He was told to take his family and every kind of grain onto the boat but to leave all his wealth and possessions. When the time came Uta-Napishtim loaded not just his family and grain but his wealth as well as live stock, friends and all the work men who had helped construct the boat. the storm lasted for seven days after which the boat got stuck on a mount. He then does exactly as another man is supposed to have; he releases birds, first a dove, which returns, a swallow and finally a raven which does not. Sound too familiar?

So the first prophecy has been ensured. But what about the second?

The second prophecy that Cain’s curse would last until his natural death, yet remember Cain did not die naturally. Let me remind you Lamech accidentally murdered not only his son – Tubal Cain but his Great Grandsire, Cain, what happened to the curse if Lamech and Tubal Cain where the last male descendants of Cain’s lineage?

Well let me turn your attention to the Book of Moses Chapter 8

12 And Noah was four hundred and fifty years old, andabegat Japheth; and forty-two years afterward he begat Shem of her who was the mother of Japheth, and when he was five hundred years old he begat Ham.

This would allude to more than one woman, more than one mother and wife. But who is she?

The fact of the matter is that if Noah’s 3 sons had the same mother the Book of Moses would not have noted that Shem was born from the same mother as Japheth and stated that later on Ham was born. It would have been simpler to state that the first to were born and his age when the youngest came along. This wording seems deliberate so as to imply that only two of the children shared the same mother.

In fact the wife of Noah is mentioned five times in the flood story ( Gen. 6:18, 7:7, 7:13, 8:16, 8:18) though she lacks any personal identity, this is another strange thing.

It is the The Midrash in Bereshit Rabba 23:3 and the eleventh century Jewish commentator Rashi which maintains that Noah’s second wife was Naamah the sister of Jubal Cain descendant of Cain :

"And the sister of Tuval Kain was Na'amah" (Gen. 4:22). Rabbi Abba bar Kahanah said: Na'amah was the wife of Noah, and why was she called Na'amah (pleasant one)? Since her deeds were pleasing , and our rabbis said: There was another Na'amah, and why did they call her Na'amah? She played melodies on the drum to accompany idolatry".

The argument has been put forth that there are two Naamah’s and that they were to very distinct women. One being completely evil and depraved because she was the seed of Cain while the other was a totally righteaous woman. Maintaining that Naamah Tabul Cain’s sister was the one to seduce the angels while Naamah, the daughter of Enoch  was Noah’s wife, and she was righteous. In fact there are only two Naamah’s mentioned in biblical text; Naamah the youngest daughter to Lemach and Zillah and Naamah wife of Solomon, mother to Rehoboam.

The Sethite “ Naamah” is only mentioned in the Book of Jasher.

Naamah the woman that she was represents a great mystery as no one seems to agree who she was exactly. Yet every Naamah seems to have two things in common, they describe her as the most beautiful woman and their talent for music was great. Yet it is the descendants of Cain who are said to have created instruments and music.

Something else that would bother anyone is the fact that if Cain’s line died with Lamech and Tabul Cain what would become of the prophecy that stated that whomever killed Cain would be cursed into the seventieth generation? Would God simply forget a curse that he had specifically placed on someone? If so then why would anyone take the entire bible seriously if God did not carry through on prophecies?

So this  does cause a few problems for us doesn't it.

If we take the Sethite Naamah as Noah’s wife, keeping in mind that if she is the daughter of Enoch that would make her Noah’s great aunt, she could not have been a daughter to Methuselah as Noah chose wives for his son's from Methuselah's daughters, well, they would have been granddaughters. And although all of Adam’s descendants only started having children after the age of 200 Noah was by far much older when he had his last son by his second wife. So she would have been a great deal older than he was, as the book of Jasher does state, Noah's wife by calculation was 82 years older than he was. But if she had been Enoch's direct daughter she would have been a lot older. This makes no sense as the common practice seemed to have been to marry half-sisters, sisters and cousins. The possibility is that she was related to Enoch descendant of Cain. In early languages, the words son and daughter could be used to refer not only to one's child, but to one's descendants. There is therefore no reason to suppose these accounts to be in conflict. Naamah is mentioned in Genesis 4:22 as the sister of Tubal-Cain, descendant of Cain through Enoch and Lamech. So since the Book of Jasher chapter 5 simply states that he took Naamah daughter of Enoch not daughter of Enoch son of Jared so that Cain's son would be easily ruled out. Although record keepers do seem to try and make things simpler, they where usually a bit more specific. As I said before the genealogy of names between Seth’s offspring and that of Cain are to close to be ignored. Also Lamech's two wives, as they were sister's, after Lamech killed Cain took there remaining children and went home to their father's house. The text from Jasher chaper 2 Clearly states that Zillah's womb was opened by God on both occasions so that she could become pregnant with both Tabul Cain as well as Naamah. So these where blessed births, which means that Naamah was not necessarily raised in opposition to God's teaching. So Noah thus taking Naamah, descendant of Cain would have insured that the curse of Cain would continue as was foretold. It is very important to note that the other women who are mentioned in the Genesis account are mentioned only as mothers (and even these are omitted in many cases), and daughters and sisters are not mentioned except when they are relevant to the story (i.e. we know of Dinah the sister of the twelve sons of Israel only because of her rape and the subsequent sack of Sechem), so that it also why I noted it is strange that Noah's wife's name is not mentioned at all in the bible, and the isolated mention of Naamah as a sister without mentioning her husband, her posterity, or her involvement in any episode is highly unusual. It seems likely that accounts of her role were sufficiently well known among the early Hebrews that the Genesis author did not feel the need to repeat it, just as one would not need to explain the relationship of a great aunt. If this was not the cause why was this one woman singled out so specifically.

Once again 
we return to the idea of the curse of Cain, as stated it has been said that it was either a marking of colour or something like a protuberance, i.e. a horn. Moses 7:8; 7:22 specifically mention colour.


"There was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan".

     And

"The seed of Cain were black"

Noah’s son was named Ham, actually the correct spelling is Cham but appears in the English spelling with an H. This name Ham is identical to the adjective   (ham) warm, hot, from the verb   (hamam) meaning be hot, warm, inflame. And when spelled with a C, the Hebrew meaning is still hot.

Many have alluded that he was therefore named according to the colour of his skin. Ham’s male descendants where Cush, Mizraim, Phut, and Canaan.

Cush is a region usually associated or equated with Ethiopia, but more accurate is Nubia, the region south of Egypt

Mizraim, this name is also the common name for Egypt.

Canaan the name surely has to do with the Hebrew verb   kana (1001) meaning be humbled, subdued, low. About this verb, HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament states, "It denoted bringing a proud and recalcitrant people or spirit into subjection." It also emphasises the fact that due to his father, Ham’s, sin he became subjugated to his uncles.

(A side note that I just have to put in, why was Canaan cursed, well, scripture states that when Noah became drunk from drinking from the wine he had made, His son Ham saw his father nakedness while Noah was asleep, the Genesis text is not as clear as it might be in this section of Scripture and some commentators have suggested a different explanation, that being sexual in nature. One of the suggestions is that Noah's wife was the victim of incestuous behaviour,[other’s say that it might have been Noah himself]. In other words, this would make the phrase 'the nakedness of Noah,' to be a reference to Noah's wife rather than to Noah himself, and 'to uncover Noah's nakedness' would be to have illicit sexual relations with his wife. If this is so, it might explain more. For example, some scholars now suggest that such incestuous acts were often all about inner-family power struggles and it was usually an ambitious son who attempted to sexually compromise his mother! And Canaan was cursed either because he was the result of the union or because he was Ham’s favourite. But also keep in mind incest was not outlawed yet until Moses’ time.)

It has been thus postulated that the first two reasons shows that the son’s of Ham having received the curse of Cain where darker of complexion than others of their relatives.

According to the Book of Abraham, a Latter Day Saint’s scripture, Ham had a daughter who was named Egyptus, named for her mother, and she discovered the land of Egypt, which is thus named after her. She settled in this land with her son, of which her oldest was named Pharaoh, suggesting that Ham’s family was very different from others. It was never heard of a woman ever discovering or naming anything, her husband is never mentioned. (Keep in mind though the Book of Abraham was written round about 1835 it was written by Joseph Smith, Egyptologists do not agree with the translation)

The problem is that although the bible mentions that the wives of Noah and his sons entered the ark with them, not only does it not give Noah’s wife’s name but neither does it give the names of the daughter’s in-law.

This has led many people to speculate where these women came from. Up until this point we have been able to trace most of the wives of those who played significant roles. The bible easily gave up their names and on occasion their ancestry. If not you can usually find it with some searching. Also it is easy to determine that most wives where related to their husbands in some way as the names are carried through the generations.

Yet in this case not a word. The Book of Jubilee’s give the names of the son’s wives, Shem’s (or Sem’s) wife was Sedegetelebab (or Zedkat Nabu), Ham’s (or Cham’s) wife Naeltameuk (or Nahalath Mahnuk), and Japeth’s (or Japheth’s) wife was named Adataneses (or Arathka).

According the Patriarch Eutychius of Alexandria, writing in Arabic, that the three wives of Noah’s sons where all daughters of Methuselah, meaning that they were descended from him.

Yet I cannot find more evidence to corroborate this, the only two wives’ parentage I can confirm is that of Adataneses and Sedegetelebab (according to site an ancestry. com). Adataneses and Sedegetelebab were both the daughter of Eliakim who was the son of Methuselah. For those who don’t know, Methuselah was Noah’s grandfather so Shem and Japheth married sisters who were also their cousins. This keeps in line with what we have become familiar within the same family intermarrying to keep the bloodline clean. Yet Ham is simply mentioned as marrying Naeltameuk, her parentage is not mentioned at all. So if she was a daughter of Methuselah there does not seem to be a confirming record of this. This might be the reason why the bible does not mention the names of the wives because all three’s parentage could not be named.

So where did she come from. Some assume that she as well as Noah’s wife was a descendant of Cain. And the sources that claim that Naamah was descended from Cain not Enoch are greater than those who disagree.

Now owing to the fact that Naamah is mentioned as being both the wife of Noah as well as seducing the angels some have passed the idea that Ham might not have been Noah’s descendant but something else. As it is clearly stated in Genesis 6 (where the flood is described) that the Nephilim were also on the Earth afterward, meaning after the flood. So if the flood was designed to wipe out the Nephilim and as well as all the evil in the world what happened? 

There is one post-flood mention of the Nephilim by that name, but other associations are drawn. The spies sent by Moses into Canaan reported having seen Nephilim where in Numbers 13:33 it identifies that (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). That the analysis of the land reported by the spies is referred to as a "bad report" is suggested by some as meaning "erroneous", but it is more probable that it was simply "bad news" since the people occupying the land were formidable. The validity of their report is confirmed in Deuteronomy 1:28 and again in Deuteronomy 9:1-2 where Moses describes the Anakites. The spies, to prove what they said returned with a cluster of grapes that took two men to carry it. 

Humanly speaking, they were descended from Anak, and so were also known as the Anakim. These people were, of course, known to Moses and it was probably he who editorially inserted the phrase “and also after that” into Noah’s original record here in Genesis 6:4. Moses probably also inserted the information that these were the “mighty men of old, men of renown,” men whose exploits of strength and violence had made them famous in song and fable in all nations in the ages following the Flood. To rebellious men of later times, they were revered as great heroes; but in God’s sight they were merely ungodly men of violence and evil.

So after the flood had passed eventually Noah’s son’s and their families went their own ways.
According to an extract from Jubilee’s Chapter 8

“This is the land which came forth for Japheth and his sons as the portion of his inheritance which he should possess for himself and his sons, for their generations for ever; five great islands, and a great land in the north
But it is cold, and the land of Ham is hot, and the land of Shem is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.”

The favourate son of Noah was the eldest, Shem. His skin colour might have been “dusky”, or sandy, as this is the meaning of the name Shem. THIS, interestingly is Abraham’s line, a lineage which does not extend into Israel as we now know it, or Lebanon, or Syria or anywhere near the western Mediterranean. Let us discuss in which direction Shem’s sons did go. Shem’s wife’s name sounds strangely enough like an Indian-Persian name. His son Elam, also by the way a great Kingdom of history, is usually associated with the ancient region of Elam, in regions by contemporary Arabia and Iran. Ashur, or Assur, is the father of the Assyrians, the great Assyrian Empire of the Tigris valley. Arpaschad (or Arpakad), whose line would bring Abraham (or A-Brahm)is associated  with Ur, Babylon, and even southeast Turkey; Lud, or Lydians proper, the southern Greeks who would later extend into southern Italy; and Aram, from whence comes the Aramaic language.

Japheth the middle son’s descendants are associated with Ashkenaz, or Askuz, which is a Scythian city according to old Hebrew, and Ripath is associated with Upper Turkey in the region of the Black Sea. Some say Japheth’s son Gomer is the father of Slavs, Russians and Poles as well. Javan, Iovan, formed the line that extended to Greeks, through Ionia, and so, of course later Romans. Javan’s  descendants, say scholars, are responsible for the Romance languages, and possibly extended as far into Europe as  Southern Spain. Tubal is considered to have populated the Southern Black Seas region and surrounding areas, and his line also extended westward as far as Spain; legend has it that Tubal gave Europe there languages. Meschoch inhabited the area in between the Black and Caspian Seas, which would encompass contemporary Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbeijan. Finaly Tiras extended a line straight north, whereby we had Thracians, Teutons, Anglo-Saxons, and Germans. Japheth literally means “Fair”, as in complexion.

Now as for Ham , the youngest. Biblical Scholars trance his people to regions varying form Northeast Africa to Southwestern Asia and even to regions south and east of the Red Sea. Cush is usually  traditionally associated with Southern Egypt, Ethiopia, and Sudan, and Nimrod with Akkad, Babel, and Sumeria, but the name is stil used today for a region in the Himalayas . Mizraim, is associated with Egypt proper, Ludum, Eastern Libya, and even Cyprus. Put is usually given a place by northen Libya and Phoenicia. Canaan, of course, is from where derives the region Canaan, today encompassing Lebanon and Israel, there lived Amorites, Hittites and Syruans.

And according to Jewish texts the Emim, the Amorites, the Zamsummim, the Horim and the Anakim were all Giants, or if you prefer unusually large and or very strong.

“The wicked emperor Hadrian, who conquered Jerusalem, boasted, ‘I have conquered Jerusalem with great power.’ Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said to him, ‘Do not boast. Had it not been the will of Heaven, you would not have conquered it.’ Rabbi Johanan then took Hadrian into a cave and showed him the bodies of Amorites who were buried there. One of them measured eighteen cubits [approximately 30 feet] in height. He said, ‘When we were deserving, such men were defeated by us, but now, because of our sins, you have defeated us’” [quoted in Judaism, edited by Arthur Hertzberg, p.155-156, George Braziller, New York: 1962].

It is very apparent that Ham as well as his descendants did not look like his brothers at all. So even if, he was not the descended for the Watchers of Enoch’s time but was of Cain’s seed instead, as is suggested by some references, Cain was not exactly human then either. In Genesis it is stated that Cain was not born in Adam’s image. And let us not forget that Moses sent his spies into Canaan and it was here that they witnessed these amazingly frightening people and Canaan was the name of Ham’s cursed son after all.

So we have thus confirmed that the Watchers are still angels regardless of their “moral” fall, and their children the Nephilim, although neither fully human or angel were also not demons, but, and this is a BIG BUT, those chosen wives of the Gregori where cursed to become sirens. Sirens are through all mythology termed as seductresses who in some form or another fed on humans, men mostly, usually classified as a demon. So this is our first mention of demons. And let us not forget that Naamah was said to be the mother of the king of Demons, not a Nephilim.

Could this be where demons first came from? or is there another source. One other thing that I feel compelled to point out at this point is that yes we have our first clue where demons started, we have also discovered that a second group became fallen but they did not become evil demons. Their wives might have been cursed to become something else but these angels as their other "fallen" brethren still await punishment as they are eternal beings. Yes the flood was, as far as we can see from text, meant to have wiped out the Nephilim, yet regardless of this their seed somehow survived. Which is apparent not only from Moses' biblical texts but that is another blog all together. 

It is has been very clearly pointed out that the record of a variety of giant and strange races are to wide spread to have been confined to one section of the family line. Therefore it has also been widely noted that Noah himself did not have the most normal of early years. 
In fact :

"106:1 And after some days my son, Methuselah, took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore him a son. 2 And his body was white as snow and red as a rose, the hair of his head as white as wool and his demdema 29 beautiful; and as for his eyes, when he opened them the whole house glowed like the sun—(rather) the whole house glowed even more exceedingly. 3 And when he arose from the hands of the midwife, he opened his mouth and spoke to the Lord with righteousness. 4 And his father, Lamech, was afraid of him and fled and went to Methuselah his father; 5 and he said to him, “I have begotten a strange son: He is not like an (ordinary) human being, but he looks like the children of the angels of heaven to me; his form is different, and he is not like us. His eyes are like the rays of the sun, and his face glorious. 6 It does not seem to me that he is of me, but of angels; and I fear that a wondrous phenomenon may take place upon the earth in his days. 7 So I am beseeching you now, begging you in order that you may go to his (grand)father Enoch, our father, and learn from him the truth, for his dwelling place is among the angels.” 
When Methuselah sought counsel from Enoch, Enoch simply explained that Noah was righteous and that the flood was coming.
S See also Nephilim  


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